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Hate to be picky here but “must” and “every” sound pretty mandatory to me. And if the purpose is to evenly distribute military responsibility, shouldn't it say that? BTW – what is the military responsibility of each member region?
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Section2(1)
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There are a lot of shady principles and unclear affiliations within your proposal parc. You are going to have to provide more details responses if you are going to persuade us into your Alliance... |
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I will get back to you on this sticking point. |
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Ok, general comments, questions and concerns regarding the terms of the FA Constitution which this region would be required to sign & ratify (this is not the document in its entirety, only where I had comments):
Constitution of the Freedom Alliance
Section 1: Rights of Member States
1. As a member states of the Freedom Alliance, every member has the right to call upon the Freedom Alliance’s forces for help in times of region-crashing.
a. Are there any conditions on this? like how much, how often, circumstances that are exempt?
b. How do you request aid, and from whom?
c. Does this also include preemptive defensive measures?
2. To take part in the Presidential election.
a. by voting only?
3. To participate in the Freedom Alliance board, including access to any and all areas which are restricted to members, as long as they do not have additional restrictions.
a. And those ‘additional restrictions’ would be what?
4. To run for President or other office within the Freedom Alliance.
a. definitions, limitations, duties.
5. To resign from the Freedom Alliance.
a. general comment: I’m glad that this isn’t permanent!
b. how does a region leave, who do they notify, when does it take effect?
6. May bring charges against the president or other Freedom Alliance officials as well as members.
a. what charges may be brought, under what circumstances and using what procedure?
Section 2: Duties of Member States
1. As member states of the Freedom Alliance, every member must be available to take part in military operations if considered necessary by the Freedom Alliance and the majority of members of the region before the state who is to be replaced came to power who did not leave freely.
a. I posted my concerns with this before. It sounds like unlimited mandatory involvement defined solely by FA.
b. what is our region’s duties/obligations under this section.
2. To help with any and all activities required by the president or other duly appointed official to facilitate the smooth running of the Freedom Alliance.
a. again, this sounds like our region could be forced to participate in ANY and ALL activities defined solely by FA.
b. what is exactly our region’s duties/obligations under this section: what are the activities, how many activities must we participate in, how often?
4. Failure to abide by these rules can result in the immediate expulsion of the violation member at the discretion of the president or other duly appointed official.
a. guilty until proven innocent huh? and no trial either…interesting.
5. Failure to abide by the rules of the 4th section will also result in expulsion after being tried and if found guilty.
a. trials only for the terms of section 4.
b. “immediately” is defined as what?
c. tried by who?
Section 3: New Members
3. In the foresaid post they must include their Nationstates nation’s name, their reason for joining the Freedom Alliance, if they are a member of any interregional, whether they have participated in any region crashings, and who their allies are, unless there is a necessarily for secrecy in which case they shall explain that reason to the president or a duly approved official handling the application and send the information through private message on the board or telegram on Nationstates.
a. Let see if I got this right - basically give up any and all intelligence that this region has gathered, hand it over to FA, and receive nothing back?
b. is this ‘regional’ or ‘national’ ie: if I have information that my nation has participate in crashing/defending/spying, but not for this region – do I have to make it known?
Section 4: High Crimes against the Freedom Alliance
1. Any member accused of committing the following crimes, is subject to immediate trial, and if found guilty, expulsion.
a. what’s the court procedure?
b. “immediately” is defined as what?
c. tried by who?
d. guilt decided by who?
2. Spying, this is defined as giving sensitive information to enemy nations, alliances, or regions, unless it is with prior knowledge or consent of the Freedom Alliance president, or cabinet.
a. define enemy (FA’s enemies, any members enemies, single nations, regions, what? Does it include this regions allies, present and future…etc)
b. define sensitive information.
c. how is such ‘consent’ obtained/granted?
3. Treason, which is defined as helping enemy nations, regions, or alliances through garnering support for an enemy nation, region, or alliance, or directly helping an enemy nation, region, or alliance, specifically, but not limited to endorsements.
a. define enemy (see above)
b. define helping.
Act:
In the event of a security breach in the Freedom Alliance, the government would hold the right to enter and/or suspend anyones account if they are suspected of being a threat to the Freedom Alliance, this desicion would fall to the president after consulting his advisors.
a. again guilty until proven innocent.
b. define these emergency powers a bit more
c. what’s the procedure for clearing your name if accused?
Part 2:
Each nation entering the FA must send an IM to the moderator of the FA forum on entry to the alliance. The reasoning behind this is so that multi-nation cheating can be stamped out quickly. Thereafter each nation should make a further post within one week of the first just to double check there authenticity.
a. I’m REQUIRED to ALWAYS use the same IP????
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I have spoken to the FA President
Reguarding Section 2(1)
The Constitution is applies more to when individuals sign it rather than when regions join.
We are more strict with individual members, regions on the other hand simply participate when they like.
We do not force people to take part or punish them for not participating.
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| QUOTE (Vilita @ May 18 2004, 01:48 PM) | | You are going to have to provide more details responses if you are going to persuade us into your Alliance... |
I agree right now I am against this alliance due to lack of information |
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I do have to say the information is vague. Would it be possible to negotiate a specialised deal for membership so we have in black and white exactly what in entails for us? |
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They are supposedly Sending over the FA President to further explain. |
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Perhaps we could get a standered, full detailed agreement which will show everything that relates to us as a region. Then we can pick at the details. |
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From all the information I've read, I must say that I'm against the Freedom Alliance. I don't really have a clear idea of what real good it would do.  |
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i think its just unclear. and this unclarity is prejudicing us against it.
anyay, isnt it just a representative from the region that takes part? or am i wrong........again.?? |
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I know I've been the most vocal on this proposed alliance, mostly because I don't see any benefits. At best, the only benefit would be added protection if invaded. However, our region has a founder, so the danger of an invasion is pretty slim. I am interested if anyone else sees any benefits of this treaty?
I do see numerous undefined obligations, such as military service and ‘other activities’ deemed appropriate by the President, which could be potentially detrimental to this region.
I think that these obligations far outweighing any benefits.
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Agreed, The danger of Invasion is slim and there are no clear benefits to joining. We will wait for the FA president to arrive and answer questions but until them the stance of the Colony of Vilita is Against |
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however-advantages-i guess would give a community feel. we'd be part of an organisation. although i am not for this i am all for giving them a fair cahance to prove themselves. or even to join and then leave if we were all right about it. the way i see it theyve taken the time and consideration to ask us, we should at least oblige |
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