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OOC Alliance Building
Posted: Oct 11 2012, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 12:06 PM)
Also, is everyone a gray-shaded tweener?

More Wight than grey but definitely on the monochrome palette.
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 01:51 PM
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I did have an idea recently when considering the consequences of different sentient species living under a single government, especially one designed specifically for humanity in mind. For example, how would you deal with a social security-like welfare in a state when you have a small segment of the population that has a significantly higher lifespan the rest of the citizenry? In the end, I figured that eventually, the human majority would desire to limit citizenship and all the rights included therein to humans. But taking into consideration that there are elven and even dwarven segments of population scattered throughout AO, wouldn't it be inevitable that some would like to immigrate? How would the government deal with that? Wouldn't codifying legal preference to only a segment of the population (no matter how dominant) eventually lead to strife from the minority population? And could that lead to a reactionary response, leading towards a sort of 'human supremacist' sort of doctrine?

It was a fun little thought experiment, but one I ultimately canned, if only because 'Germanic nation' and 'supremacist doctrine' was massively cliche. But if it brings up interest, I figured I might bring it up, especially if ESF is going to form sort of an 'elven league'.

Otherwise, as I said earlier on the RMB, Geisenfried's a slightly left-leaning constitutional monarchy with an isolationist bent, but that's not exactly helpful for the whole 'alliance-building' thing.

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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 01:53 PM
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Farfadillis is a federal republic, we do have some things in common with monarchies, which is the federal council, its decisions can't be repelaed unless the federal council agrees to it. However, the federal council is elected, so we resmble more a democracy. We're also small and overpopulated, with a good economy according to NS (I'd be inferior to you guys RPing, though, but I imagine my nation like a powerful one in economic terms). I'd like to join the Confederation of Common States.

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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Geisenfried @ Oct 11 2012, 07:51 PM)
It was a fun little thought experiment, but one I ultimately canned, if only because 'Germanic nation' and 'supremacist doctrine' was massively cliche. But if it brings up interest, I figured I might bring it up, especially if ESF is going to form sort of an 'elven league'.

Considering Starblaydia's elven population live in a Lórien-esque hidden wooded large village-type place, they're pretty much independent and largely brokered the current friendship between Starblaydia and Valanora. They'd be hihgly likely, after having withdrawn from Starblaydi everyday society to want to be a part of TRANQUIL, though without upping sticks and moving. That could add an interesting industry-versus-treehuggers dimension to my side of things, plus give ESF a very minor partner in TRANQUIL
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (Geisenfried @ Oct 11 2012, 07:51 PM)
It was a fun little thought experiment, but one I ultimately canned, if only because 'Germanic nation' and 'supremacist doctrine' was massively cliche. But if it brings up interest, I figured I might bring it up, especially if ESF is going to form sort of an 'elven league'.

Considering Starblaydia's elven population live in a Lórien-esque hidden wooded large village-type place, they're pretty much independent and largely brokered the current friendship between Starblaydia and Valanora. They'd be hihgly likely, after having withdrawn from Starblaydi everyday society to want to be a part of TRANQUIL, though without upping sticks and moving. That could add an interesting industry-versus-treehuggers dimension to my side of things, plus give ESF a very minor partner in TRANQUIL

Well, the line of thought was, the whole issue of human v. non-human comes up, the citizenship legislation is proposed and passes, TRANQUIL is formed and announced somewhere around the same time, a domestic 'pro-humanity' organization pops up and whips up a frenzy about TRANQUIL really being an elven conspiracy to control the region, some sort of incident with non-human dissent explode somewhere in the country, a reactionary government gets voted into power, tries to gather like-minded states for... let's call it ASH - the Alliance for the Sovereignty of Humanity, a whole bunch of ASH-TRANQUIL tensions and probably eventually a war a long way on down the line.

But again, not sure if I want to go the cliche route of having my German-inspired nation undergo a whole specieal-supremacist phase (which, as far as the region goes is basically racial supremacy) and all that jazz unless it's a real way to get the whole national/political RP start rolling again. Right now it's just everybody join the CCS.
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 02:45 PM
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No-one interested in a socialist alliance? Hm. I guess Kinitaria will just have to expand indefinitely outwards (some new land was just uncovered to the south, if I recall correctly...), becoming the bulwark of the people's revolution in AO and bringing liberation to the masses. Or something. smile.gif
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 02:54 PM
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No-one interested in a socialist alliance? Hm. I guess Kinitaria will just have to expand indefinitely outwards (some new land was just uncovered to the south, if I recall correctly...), becoming the bulwark of the people's revolution in AO and bringing liberation to the masses. Or something.  smile.gif

I believe Wight would be interested in a federation of socialist & syndicalist states, especially in supporting our oppressed brothers in pig capitalist cartel states or bastardo feudalist monarchies. As stated before, not with military might but through the purity of our egalitarian aspirational philosophies, and dirty tricks.

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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 03:53 PM
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I believe Wight would be interested in a federation of socialist & syndicalist states, especially in supporting our oppressed brothers in pig capitalist cartel states or bastardo feudalist monarchies. As stated before, not with military might but through the purity of our egalitarian aspirational philosophies, and dirty tricks.

This seems like an excellent idea. Anything to further the spread of workers' rule throughout the region - and let's face it, dirty tricks are the only way to go. We're definitely in.
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 04:14 PM
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That's the spirit!
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 04:52 PM
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This is all OOC.

Well, I think that this is a great idea to start some activity into the region, and I think my nation bests fits the CCS, so I am intending on joining. If anyone has any problems with this, please let me know now before this whole thing starts.
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 06:06 PM
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[OOC] I'll pitch in willingly, sounds like fun. I'm already ICly aligned with ASMV to a certain degree, CCS would be of interest, especially the common bit, as Wightlingfolk are unrelentingly common.

Wight is a benevolent dictatorship with syndicalist underpinnings and almost no military capability. It would not be feasible/realistic to enter in any shenanigans as a major player or even an ambitious one, but it is probably quite inclined to involve itself in regionwide plots, assassinations, conspiracies, double-dealings, insurgencies and counter-insurgencies, refuge of political exiles, black propaganda, culture jamming and government infiltration. There is a widespread state-sponsored loathing of elves, particularly southern ones, and other peoples with superiority complexes. For reasons explored in recent story-telling cycles, the nation holds the Draggonnii Socialist Empire in the highest esteem. These relate to the on-off - or off-off depending on who you believe - relationship between the two nation's supreme deities.

[IC] Wight is certainly viewing the resurgence of ambitious neighbours with a healthy dose of suspicion. Probably inclined to neutrality, two circumstances threaten to change this.

Firstly, anticipating this blatant call to arms by Starblaydia - the implicit 'your are either with us or against us' has not gone unnoticed in Spit and the Foreign Office has called on extra volunteers from local government to help with the effort to jump to conclusions -  we now host a major combined force of ASMV military at the Sa Tu'urk base to look after our sovereignty whilst managing their own north eastern trade routes. Not a moment too soon, it seems.

Secondly, whilst we have no extra-sovereign ambitions of our own regionally, except perhaps to win an AOCAF, we do have a Ministry for Narrative Intrigue which has specialist agents on the ground in all the big powers and some of the small ones, on the look out for an opportunity to meddle. They are highly trained in the meddlesome and dishonest arts and it's probably about time we flicked the 'GO' switch on these sleeper cells.


Wight, it'd be a pleasure to have you onboard, if you think the CCS would represent Wight's best interests.

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Farfadillis is a federal republic, we do have some things in common with monarchies, which is the federal council, its decisions can't be repelaed unless the federal council agrees to it. However, the federal council is elected, so we resmble more a democracy. We're also small and overpopulated, with a good economy according to NS (I'd be inferior to you guys RPing, though, but I imagine my nation like a powerful one in economic terms). I'd like to join the Confederation of Common States.


Farfadillis, we would consider you for membership.

Basically, my current plan is to hold a vaguely and arbitrarily-decided "signup period" for people who want to join the CCS this batch. When this is done, we'll review the charter, see how we're all doing.
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 06:10 PM
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What I'd point out to newer nations is don't just join the CCS as the default option. One founder is full of insane killy death bird freaks from an industrial nightmare land, while the other is a 'mostly' benevolent socialist dictator.

Not quite the UN here, folks wink.gif Hence my support of Kinitaria and Wight setting up something of their own, as well as ESF doing something of his own (unless more people have elves, of course)
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 06:14 PM
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Expanding upon that, TRANQUIL, is not only for elves per se, though elven nations would be more favorable and guaranteed an alliance. Something that I'm toying around with, if TRANQUIL takes off, is having those that wish to join, in the first stage just sharing intel and after a certain amount of time (IC and OOC) bumping them up to a full alliance member if they prove reliable (again both IC and OOC). So don't feel like you can't join TRANQUIL just because you don't have elves or they don't make up a large portion of your population.
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Posted: Oct 11 2012, 08:07 PM
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Not sure where Naitpyge would/could fit. The CCS seems rather harmless, just a bunch of nations that consider themselves "friends." The SAAS would be kinda alright too, but I'm not sure how authoritarian Naitpyge really is. We definately wouldn't join TRANQUIL, as the population of elves is probably around 10. And then there's Kinitaria's Socialist/Leftist alliance, which I definately wouldn't mind joining, it's just that Naitpyge is pretty socialy conservative, and I'm not sure how we'd get along on that front.

So I guess we'll go to whoever wants us the most. Just place your bids below.
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Posted: Oct 12 2012, 01:57 AM
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Hmm...

Not too sure where Warkus would find themselves. While the way Warkus looks currently, they'd go straight for the CSS. However, I'm soon to be orchestrating the beginning of a dictatorship and the fall of the surprisingly-freedom loving Warkus.

Right now, I'm going to stay neutral, but in the coming days we're going to lean closer and closer to SAAS.
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