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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 05:43 AM
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Of course you have to agree with CH's inflation points as 1) he wrote the damn thing, and 2) we didnt know about it before.

So we work in 2004 Dollar values instead of 2006. How difficult can it be to work out what inflation has done to the dollar since then and take account of it when looking at things like this?

And, CH, if we're talking about 'regular' - if there is such a thing - NS nations based on RL government types, rather than the odd corporation set-up you have, is my point about the massive budgets valid?

Baz: that sounds uber-complicated. Like, beyond the bounds of practial reason for military 'realism'. Go and propose that in the NS2 forum, Ahh, a good laugh., they'll love things like that.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 06:24 AM
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QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Jun 14 2006, 05:43 AM)
And, CH, if we're talking about 'regular' - if there is such a thing - NS nations based on RL government types, rather than the odd corporation set-up you have, is my point about the massive budgets valid?

Yes.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 08:14 AM
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I choose to run my nation as I think the UK should be run (minus, of course, turning us all into birds. I did that because that's cool.) We have a small, diligent army, a massive airforce (kinda goes with the birds) and a non-existent navy. Most of our money goes into the private sectors, which in turn provide everything. Privatisation is the future.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 08:22 AM
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Define 'massive', though, 50 planes? 500 planes? 1,000? 10,000? Roughly how many and of what type is really what I'm thinking of. Are they all stealth fightery-bombery types or is there less advanced stuff like the F14s and 15s, for instance.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 01:18 PM
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You've seen the flying brick. It consists pretty much of those, the older but faster F-2s and the occasional B-1.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 01:38 PM
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Considering I spend about $9 trillion on the army in NSeconomy and the fact that my government is not set up like any RL government at all. Each city and town is its own kibbutz or socialist commune that compete against each other to get money. The most successful ones get more populated (like Port James which manufactured most nautical equipment now).

Most of these kibbutzim at least manufacture some military gadgets. For example Hilfordshire, which is a medium big kibbutz that is a major food producer, also produces some planes as instructed by the Milchama government which tells the kibbutzim what to produce militarily.

This being said, I'm not sure how big my army in comparison to some. I would assume it is pretty good as a lot of the government budget is spent on it and all citizens have served in the army in some capacity since they were 6.

As for breaking it down, I would say a lot of infantry, most of the rest on the air force which is pretty high tech (the Milchamians believe that the air force and infantry are the two things that decide wars). The navy is half decent but nothing great and the arillery probably is very good but not very big. The calvalry (yes we still have some and yes there is a plausible if you ask) is probably about just as big as the artillery and used much more effectively.

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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 05:39 PM
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Myrtannia's military, for what there is, consists of a force designed to fulfil the main objective of protecting the Allied States from outside aggression. To this end, I'd imagine the air force is of moderate size, with a larger (but still not huge) navy and a sizeable ground force. Mostly, this ground force is sort of the same vein as the Israel Defense Force, with mandatory service required of citizens when they turn 18.

However, I for one would prefer to not get involved in a war, as I've spent considerable time attempting to avoid armed conflict. From my experience, military RPs on NS never turn out well. That's why Myrtannia's defense policy is the way it is - that armed force is only used if the country itself is in emminent danger. For example, Myrtannia would consider use of force against AR if said nation directly threatened Myrtannia. Or for that matter, even in the current situation. However, we would not attack an SAAS nation just because they're in a rival faction.

If war comes region-wide, expect Myrtannia's government to vote the Allied States' membership in the SDL on hold indefinitely, should SDL nations go to war. I intend to remain neutral in the case of such a turn of events, and would ask that other people respect that and leave me out of it. Diplomacy I can do. Sports I can do. War RPs? No.

In conclusion, I strongly insist and pretty much demand that in the event of a regional war, Myrtannia be considered to be like Switzerland, and left alone. Though I might consider setting up clandestine bank accounts for people on both sides of the conflict.
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Posted: Jun 14 2006, 05:44 PM
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Well, after doing the math, I'm spending about $424,000 per person in the military. Huh about that.

There is one thing with aircraft and vehicles, and that's that you don't exactly buy every single plane and every single tank you have every single year. The same thing with ships and such. So a direct comparison from the military budget to the price of a plane doesn't strike me as the most accurate thing in the world.
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Posted: Jun 15 2006, 03:47 AM
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QUOTE (Casari @ Jun 14 2006, 11:44 PM)
...a direct comparison from the military budget to the price of a plane doesn't strike me as the most accurate thing in the world.

You do pay for their initial purchase and constant upkeep though, along with personnel salaries, food, fuel and all sorts of other things. The actual purchase of things each 'year' would come out of the procurement budget, which would be a sizeable chunk of the overall defence budget. Does your X-million/billion dollar budget mean you can actually keep all of these things running, never mind purchase them to begin with.
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Posted: Aug 14 2006, 11:03 AM
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A new/updated version of this is being created by tlc and myself, for guidelines on militaries and such, so we'll have something for y'all soon
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Posted: Aug 14 2006, 12:24 PM
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Myroria and her colonies are set in the Age of Enlightenment, with some modern technology mixed in too. Our army is equipped with modern weapons, but 1700's tactics. We find guerrilla warfare no better than murder. We are extremely capitalizt, and like Falcania, privatization is completely used.
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Posted: Aug 14 2006, 12:52 PM
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First things first, if your planning on participating in the war to come, go buy/borrow Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising. It is the closest thing we have to an analog to a war on this tech level and scale. And it's a big book, so get reading!
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Posted: Aug 14 2006, 04:03 PM
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I love the gratuitous stickying of your intellectual property. Thanks for the recommendation, TLC.
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Posted: Aug 14 2006, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (Falcania @ Aug 14 2006, 10:03 PM)
I love the gratuitous stickying of your intellectual property. Thanks for the recommendation, TLC.

That stickying was at TLC's suggestion, btw, as when this war does happen ,we'd like it to happen well and without the usual crap that accompanies it.

Plus that book is a double-recommendation from us both, too.
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Posted: Aug 14 2006, 08:49 PM
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I'm not planning on participating in the war because I'm armed neutral
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